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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/07/03/the-progression-of-an-idea/#comment-3335</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hoddo .. nope.  I shot in manual exposure mode in my camera.  So there is no &quot;dialling in some - EV&quot;.

I decided on an exposure I wanted for the sky.  As such, there is no specific correct exposure.  Just an exposure that *I* prefer and want.  And that was more or less where the sky darkened.

Then I added flash to the mix, exposing correctly for my subject.
The FEC wasn&#039;t necessarily +EV, since the flash is the main source of light .. but most likely around 0EV.

Neil vN&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hoddo .. nope.  I shot in manual exposure mode in my camera.  So there is no &#8220;dialling in some &#8211; EV&#8221;.</p>
<p>I decided on an exposure I wanted for the sky.  As such, there is no specific correct exposure.  Just an exposure that *I* prefer and want.  And that was more or less where the sky darkened.</p>
<p>Then I added flash to the mix, exposing correctly for my subject.<br />
The FEC wasn&#8217;t necessarily +EV, since the flash is the main source of light .. but most likely around 0EV.</p>
<p>Neil vN</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: hoddo</title>
		<link>http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/07/03/the-progression-of-an-idea/#comment-3334</link>
		<dc:creator>hoddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Neil

Just wanted to get this straight in my mind...

get the exposure for the background of X then dial in some -ev to darken that brooding sky.  Now the flash add some +FEC as you&#039;re using ttl?  Does this about sum it up or am I having a brain *art?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neil</p>
<p>Just wanted to get this straight in my mind&#8230;</p>
<p>get the exposure for the background of X then dial in some -ev to darken that brooding sky.  Now the flash add some +FEC as you&#8217;re using ttl?  Does this about sum it up or am I having a brain *art?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/07/03/the-progression-of-an-idea/#comment-3333</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hi there Bill ... I do use some Photoshop plug-ins when I sweeten an individual image.  That photograph at the top had an adjustment layer added to it where I used one of the film types that Alien Skin Exposure 2 has.

But for wedding photography, I really try to stay away from having to use Photoshop at all for the proofing stage, since this would slow down my post-production too much.

Therefore I rely on great skin tones from my raw converter already.

Essential here (I believe) is using the Adobe&#039;s Camera Portrait profile in ACR.  It would be the same for Lightroom if you&#039;re a Lightroom user.

I&#039;ll add a post later this week explaining how I set up my default in Adobe Camera Raw.

As for the learning institutions you mentioned .. sorry, I have no experience of them, so I can&#039;t give a recommendation either way.

Neil vN&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hi there Bill &#8230; I do use some Photoshop plug-ins when I sweeten an individual image.  That photograph at the top had an adjustment layer added to it where I used one of the film types that Alien Skin Exposure 2 has.</p>
<p>But for wedding photography, I really try to stay away from having to use Photoshop at all for the proofing stage, since this would slow down my post-production too much.</p>
<p>Therefore I rely on great skin tones from my raw converter already.</p>
<p>Essential here (I believe) is using the Adobe&#8217;s Camera Portrait profile in ACR.  It would be the same for Lightroom if you&#8217;re a Lightroom user.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add a post later this week explaining how I set up my default in Adobe Camera Raw.</p>
<p>As for the learning institutions you mentioned .. sorry, I have no experience of them, so I can&#8217;t give a recommendation either way.</p>
<p>Neil vN</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, nice shots! I too was wondering how you got those great skin tones. I was guessing maybe skylight filter in Color Efex. I&#039;m a part time pro-photographer with experience in portraits, weddings, and events. I&#039;m looking to really take my photography to the next level. I&#039;ve been trying to find a school (probably online) or in So Cal that&#039;s more advanced than a typical entry level class. I don&#039;t want to waste my time or money on learning such basics as apeture or shutter speed. I&#039;ve been looking into NYI and the Photography Institute. Any suggestions?

Thanks for your great work and advice!

BILL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, nice shots! I too was wondering how you got those great skin tones. I was guessing maybe skylight filter in Color Efex. I&#8217;m a part time pro-photographer with experience in portraits, weddings, and events. I&#8217;m looking to really take my photography to the next level. I&#8217;ve been trying to find a school (probably online) or in So Cal that&#8217;s more advanced than a typical entry level class. I don&#8217;t want to waste my time or money on learning such basics as apeture or shutter speed. I&#8217;ve been looking into NYI and the Photography Institute. Any suggestions?</p>
<p>Thanks for your great work and advice!</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, great work!!!!  I am scheduling a couple of shoots this weekend and can&#039;t wait to apply many of your off camera flash techniques.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, great work!!!!  I am scheduling a couple of shoots this weekend and can&#8217;t wait to apply many of your off camera flash techniques.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Blake .. of course.  ISO affects ambient exposure.
Remember, those three controls always affect ambient exposure, regardless of what you might be doing with flash (or not) - shutter speed, aperture and ISO.

Neil vN&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Blake .. of course.  ISO affects ambient exposure.<br />
Remember, those three controls always affect ambient exposure, regardless of what you might be doing with flash (or not) &#8211; shutter speed, aperture and ISO.</p>
<p>Neil vN</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Blake I.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Neil,

As always, great post, love to read your blog especially the &quot;how-tos.&quot; You mentioned that you wanted to darken the sky so you stopped down. I can understand that changing the aperture from 5.6 to 6.3 would cause the scene to be darker, but at the same time the ISO changed from 400 to 200. Does this also effectively darken the scene (by an additional stop)?

Thanks!
Blake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neil,</p>
<p>As always, great post, love to read your blog especially the &#8220;how-tos.&#8221; You mentioned that you wanted to darken the sky so you stopped down. I can understand that changing the aperture from 5.6 to 6.3 would cause the scene to be darker, but at the same time the ISO changed from 400 to 200. Does this also effectively darken the scene (by an additional stop)?</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
Blake</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Tam .. these images had some post-processing done to them, but the good skin tones were already there before, right out of the camera.  Good exposure, and a sensible WB is a great start. For these images, I used Daylight WB, but that is something I nearly always adjust further as part of my raw workflow.

Neil vN&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Tam .. these images had some post-processing done to them, but the good skin tones were already there before, right out of the camera.  Good exposure, and a sensible WB is a great start. For these images, I used Daylight WB, but that is something I nearly always adjust further as part of my raw workflow.</p>
<p>Neil vN</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Neil,

Yet another excellent post.
One thing that I love in these photos are the lovely skin tones. Did you use any type of gel and/or WB setting to get those tones.

Thanks,
Tam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Neil,</p>
<p>Yet another excellent post.<br />
One thing that I love in these photos are the lovely skin tones. Did you use any type of gel and/or WB setting to get those tones.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Tam</p>
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		<title>By: Tom K.</title>
		<link>http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/07/03/the-progression-of-an-idea/#comment-3326</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,

I&#039;m up for touching on the subject of post processing.

Tom K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m up for touching on the subject of post processing.</p>
<p>Tom K.</p>
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