what do you do when you can’t bounce your flash?
A question that I’m often asked in emails or on this site or in person is, “what do I do when I have nothing do bounce my flash off?” Sometimes the question seems to be directed as a challenge, but mostly I think photographers are hoping for a great solution that may have evaded them. Maybe, just maybe there might be a technique that could help when faced with super-high ceilings and wooden walls.
My usual reply is that that little speedlight only has so many electrons that can be turned into photons. There is only so much we can do with bounce flash …
The image above was sent in by one of the readers of the blog, and is typical of those scenarios where I realize I have no easy way out. There just isn’t anywhere to effectively bounce flash off.
Much of this website deals with ways of bouncing flash, eg:
1. We can rely on high ISO capabilities of our cameras and wider apertures to allow more light in.
2. There are sometimes innovative ways to bounce flash, for example:
- bouncing flash off an outdoor shop-front,
- bouncing flash off a brick wall,
But despite pushing the limits of our cameras and lenses and on-camera flashguns … there are those times when we’re just out of reach of what is physically possible with our equipment.
Then we have to improvise or perhaps accept that we simply are in a situation where there are no easy options. So while I did once reply to this question about bouncing flash in these impossible places, “you’re screwed” .. I’d still like to offer some suggestions and help.
We may have to use additional lights.
We may have to use umbrellas and softboxes … although these aren’t always practical at events,
We might very well have to resort to plastic diffuser cups on our speedlights, or even direct flash.
I’ve even seen suggestions of a portable umbrella bracket like this one:

Now, I wouldn’t quite go so far as to say you’d look like a clown waltzing around with one of these at an event, but it can’t be described as unobtrusive. It will give you pretty awesome light in any venue where you have a black ceiling and black walls .. but I don’t quite think it will be practical at most events. But, there is that option. Just so you know.
I recently had to photograph a wedding at a museum where the reception room had black walls and a black ceiling. There was simply no room to put up additional lights. I had to resort to my usual technique when in a pinch like this .. I put a wireless TTL transmitter on my camera (such as the Canon ST-E2 or Nikon SU-800), and hold my speedlight up in my left hand with a diffuser over the speedlight. This way I am still trying to get directional light to my flash, even if it is a hard light from a small light source.
Sometimes you have to rely on high ISO and wide apertures to grab any of the available light. Such a church is West Point Military Academy, NY. No flash is allowed, and you have to rely on the ambient light.


However, if the light levels are too low .. lower than the point at which you can get away with a reasonable shutter speed, then you have to use flash. As an example, here is just such an intimidating example for someone wanting to use just on-camera flash bounce flash:
There simply is nowhere to bounce flash off in this location.
Since there is nowhere practical to bounce flash off, and off-camera lighting isn’t feasible … then you have to pick your favourite light diffuser for your flash, or even resort to hard direct flash. I try and stay away from this last desperate option though.
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Finally, there are no easy answers. No quick options that will still give you wonderful light in such challenging indoor settings. You have to adapt and improvise .. and sometimes you accept the limitations of where you are and what your equipment is capable of, and use direct flash.
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Thanks Neil! The idea about using a transmitter and handholding your flashgun is a great tip! I would love to see a photo you have taken using this technique.
Comment by Laura — June 8, 2010 @ 1:03 am
A plastic thingy on the flash isn’t going to help when direct flash is required though is it? After all, all it’s doing is sending light off in directions it can’t bounce from, and it’s not increasing the size of the light source.
Comment by Russ — June 8, 2010 @ 1:10 am
@Russ, I’ve found that almost anything as an attached diffuser/reflector is an improvement on the harshness of direct flash from a bare tube.
But, I’d agree with you – I always think it looks daft to see someone in a club environment (a lot of black) with a Stofen diffuser and the flash set at 45º bounce. Yes, I’d use the Stofen (with the head straight forward), but I’d not delude myself that there is going to be anything to bounce from (but ya gotta look pro – only a complete noob wouldn’t bounce their flash).
Barrie
Comment by Barrie Spence — June 8, 2010 @ 4:29 am
how about bouncing light off the floor for once?!?
tried once when taking a photo on a ship out on the deck on a late evening.
I flipped my camera with my speedlite pointing downwards and grabbed a few shots.
The floor turned white but it was able to bounce light into my subjects face and they turned out reasonable once I flipped the photo back to the right orientation and cropped the floor.
Though holding the camera and pressing my shutter button was a bit awkward.
Comment by r1dz — June 8, 2010 @ 4:56 am
Comment by Neil vN — June 8, 2010 @ 5:03 am
Hi, Neil! I’m a new follower to your blog and teachings. :-)
I’ve tried your black foam thingie advice and it works perfectly! This photo was taken with it, having bounced my flash on a church column some 10 feet in front of this musician. (55mm; 1/30; f/2; ISO 1600)(http://www.flickr.com/photos/alaricyanos/4659982807/)
Regarding this post, wouldn’t a cup-shaped or curved white bounce card help in this situation?
Comment by Alaric — June 8, 2010 @ 5:26 am
Neil, I love the humour. I think you’re right, many of us look to those we look up to those that we respect (that would be to you!) hoping to hear words of wisdom that we have not yet found. “You’re screwed,” is a succinct answer and indeed it is helpful to know that there is no magical bullet that will help. One of my favourite weddings recently was after dark, by candle-light, no flash allowed during the vows.
Comment by Mark Cornwell — June 8, 2010 @ 5:31 am
Thanks for this post Neil… I have been racking my brain over this lately as I have a wedding this weekend where the reception is in one of those low-lit, high-ceiling venues… makes me feel a little better!
Comment by Bethany Hill — June 8, 2010 @ 8:20 am
Comment by Neil vN — June 8, 2010 @ 9:52 am
Just curious on your thoughts about pumping up the ISO and shoot it using available light only like Ascough does?
Comment by Neal Shaw — June 8, 2010 @ 2:03 pm
Comment by Neil vN — June 8, 2010 @ 4:06 pm
Thanks Barrie. Maybe a home-made bouncer (a white foamie thing?) may be the answer then? Like this- http://super.nova.org/DPR/DIY01/ or this- http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisgcom/271222003/
Comment by Russ — June 8, 2010 @ 5:09 pm
Hmm, so in these open areas, even a f2.8 isn’t going to cut it? Looking at Nikon’s site, they only have f1.4 prime lenses. This implies lots of “sneaker zoom” for the photographer (i.e. moving around a lot more).
Comment by Stephen — June 8, 2010 @ 5:14 pm
Comment by Neil vN — June 8, 2010 @ 6:07 pm
thanks Neil
Bens work is inspiring like yours – whats nice with this business is theres no right or wrong just distinct styles and business models as you say.
I am very much a speedlite person however I am trying to step out of my comfort zone slowly to try more available light – really just to see if it compliments my style.
cheers
Neal
Comment by neal Shaw — June 9, 2010 @ 5:10 am
This is just another example of how versatile a “good” wedding photographer has to be. You got to adapt and adapt quickly!
Brian Carey
Comment by Brian Carey — June 9, 2010 @ 6:58 am
I have resulted to bouncing flash off the white shirt of a guest, sniper style.
Not wedding related, but I have bounced off menus in restaurants, bounced of a piece of paper when photographing a car interior while on site. First thing I look for is a bounceable surface no matter how crazy it might seem. Anything to get the shot.
Comment by Marcel Van der Horst — June 10, 2010 @ 11:20 pm
Thanks again for kicking of a great discussion.
Regarding Ben Chrisman – I follow his work like yours. Looking at most of his pictures,those look like a very creative use of flash with snoots and gels. I think he is a heavy user of off camera lighting and modifiers.
-MP
Comment by MP Singh — June 11, 2010 @ 2:27 pm
I got in troubble last time at a wedding, when the bride and groom came out of the church they kept on standing in the doorway (of course before I had asked them to take a step outside but in the comotion…..they forgot)
Bright and sunny on the outside against the sun, but dark on the inside, nothing to bounce my flash at, so I took the shot with direct flash (I know….:)) and diffuser….. result ugly shadows.. :(
Reproduced the shot (for testing) at my own doorstep, but still can’t find a way to do this better next time.
Any help or suggestions would be very nice !
Thanks, learned a lot from you’re tips but still have te learn a lot more !!!
I
Comment by Ilse — June 22, 2010 @ 7:54 am
Comment by Neil vN — June 22, 2010 @ 11:24 am
Thanks for your response ! Make it a silhouette shot is a good idea….
But this is a shot what almost comes back in every wedding here so to make them al al silhouette…. mhh I think they are gonne notice haha.
My English is not so great, maby I didn’t explain very well :) I will open a topic in your flickr group with a picture to make it more clear sorry.
Comment by Ilse — June 23, 2010 @ 8:07 am
OK, I am wondering why no one has brought up an option that seems obvious to me – so maybe it’s a dumb idea and I’m the only one who doesn’t know it ;-) What about the Lumiquest bounce? Although I have noticed that the light is still quite harsh with these as the bounce spot is so close to the flash gun…
http://www.lumiquest.com/products/bounce-kit.htm
Comment by Nancy — June 29, 2010 @ 10:21 am
Thanks for this very timely post Neil. I’ve just recently had a wedding where this problem came up at a number of the venues. No clever additional solutions to offer: mostly I just bounced the flash off anything I could find and pushed the light forward when all else failed. Although I got a good number of usable pictures I’m left with the feeling that I wasn’t as in control as I could have been: I’m sure that you would have made more and better light and consequently pictures. Lots of food for thought in this thread and comments. I like the idea of holding the flash off to one side, Maybe not so straightforward for me as I’d struggle to hold the camera and 70-200 steady in one hand but I could probably persuade a friendly wedding guest to be a walking light stand for a bit.
Thanks as ever for all your help and inpiration. I’m very impressed by Jeff Ascough and Ben Chrismans’ sites.
Comment by Eileen — June 29, 2010 @ 4:01 pm
i just wanna share something from my experience with regards to the last picture neil posted, in a situation like this where there is a small available light, aside from using a very high but usable ISO, you can combine that with ON AXIS on board camera flash (of course the big one like sb 900 or 580 ex) just keep in mind the balance between ambient and flash and stay away from the walls so you cant see the shadows.even in a very slow shutter speed you can still freeze the subject. BOKEH can help to help conseal any camera shake look at the background. it will look decent if you balance the flash with the ambient especially if used with telephoto lens with the flash zoomed to the max because of the light fall off. thanks
Comment by mark ancheta — July 11, 2010 @ 12:20 am
Comment by Neil vN — August 6, 2010 @ 8:10 pm
Hi Neil, thanks so much for the wealth of information you provide to us!
On the topic above (no surface to bounce your flash), have you considered using a ringflash? Would a ringflash eliminate/reduce objectionable shadows in your images? Thank you in advance.
Comment by Jek — November 24, 2010 @ 9:06 am
Comment by Neil vN — December 6, 2010 @ 8:12 pm
I made myself a fun foam reflector that looks decent and gets the job done if used not too far from your subject. Here is an example I made last night:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/g_alessandri/5338401340/
Comment by Guillermo — January 9, 2011 @ 3:32 pm
Neil, did you ever consider using the new Roque Flash benders when there is nothing to bounce? Did you already test the Roque flash benders?
Comment by Alwin — March 16, 2011 @ 1:47 pm
Comment by Neil vN — March 19, 2011 @ 12:26 am
neil, i agree with you one that one. But imaging your in a romm where you can’t bounce your flash but the ceiling is low and painted red. Than you can use the Flash Bender like the BBC but bend it a little forward at the top so that there is no flashlight hitting the red ceiling anymore (no color cast). Do you think this would be an example of a good use for the Flash Benders? And if not, how would you deal with such a room?
Comment by Alwin — March 19, 2011 @ 5:33 am
Comment by Neil vN — March 19, 2011 @ 8:53 am
Neil, when using the 70-200 telezoom in combination with direct on-camera flash it does not make sense to use a betterboucecard because of the great (tele) distance from the subject it’s still a very small lightsource. But do you think it could be usefull to use a betterbouncecard or omnibounce from greater distance to avoid the risk of red eye? (because the flash light is placed a little bit higher…?)
Comment by Alwin — April 6, 2011 @ 10:35 am
Comment by Neil vN — May 8, 2011 @ 1:32 pm
As an alternative to the beanie-mounted umbrella shown in the original post, what about an assistant holding a collapsible white or silver reflector at roughly 45 degrees, with an on-camera speedlight aimed straight up into it, or slightly over-the-shoulder into it? The size of the reflector could vary from 12″ (the white side of a Lastolite LL LR1250 collapsible grey card)to a typical 40″ or so collapsible hoop reflector/diffuser, to a really big one such as Fotodiox (and others’) 48×60 or so — which could handle a couple of speedlights bouncing off of it. (Just practice first to get the knack of collapsing it afterward. Bigger = trickier.)
Comment by Duane Dale — July 1, 2011 @ 8:28 pm
It’s a small world! The photo at the very top of the post is from my Oxford college, Magdalen. I hope you had fun shooting the beautiful buildings here. In that hall you picture, I’ve resorted to bouncing off/through hand-held napkins held by friends to try and get a more directional and soft light. Thanks for your very many informative and interesting posts!
Comment by Gerard — July 16, 2011 @ 8:10 am
You said, “I put a wireless TTL transmitter on my camera (such as the Canon ST-E2 or Nikon SU-800), and hold my speedlight up in my left hand with a diffuser over the speedlight. This way I am still trying to get directional light to my flash, even if it is a hard light from a small light source.”
Nobody has mentioned putting your speedlite on the end of a monopod and holding it up high (or having somebody do it for you). Any problems with that?
Comment by Sportymonk — August 20, 2011 @ 9:28 pm
Comment by Neil vN — August 21, 2011 @ 4:47 am