March 15, 2011

wedding photography – how to work with the videographer’s light

With wedding receptions, we’re most often working within a very warm spectrum. There are tungsten (incandescent) lights all around. (**) There is candle light. There might be twinkling lights as decoration … and there is the videographer’s light. The videographer’s light will be Tungsten balanced, even if it is an LED video light that they are using. (***)

So while a wedding photographer might be using a lot of flash to dominate the lighting .. and settle for Cloudy or Flash WB, there is often a conflict of interest when the videographer joins in with his video light. The video light obviously has a much warmer white balance than flash. So how do we best deal with this?

Not necessarily by asking the videographer to move away or switch his light off. We best deal with this by gelling our speedlights (and other flashes) for Tungsten.

** This is changing though, as more and more venues are changing to fluorescent lights. But it is still a warm color balance that is usually maintained.

*** The videographer will gel his LED video light with an amber gel, since he is trying to match the ambient light’s color balance … incandescent / Tungsten.

Now, the photo above was shot using just the videographer’s light. During the wedding reception, we snuck the couple out for a few romantic portraits. Instead of the videographer and I taking turns to shoot, I shot without flash and just used his video-light and worked around him. A few times I asked the videographer specifically to hold his video-camera with its light in position for me so I could get a certain angle.

But even when I do need to add flash – whether as the main source of light, or as fill-light to the video light – my flash is gelled, and close to the same color balance. No problems with the videographer’s light potentially becoming intrusive.

This specific blog post was triggered by a search engine query that I noticed linking to my site. The phrasing was interesting:

“wedding photographer conflict with videographer’s light”

Really, there would be much less ‘conflict’, if the photographer had gelled the flash for Tungsten. The entire spectrum that we see at a wedding reception is warm … we’re the only fools there adding blue light to this with our flashes. So really, the best way to deal with this, is to gel our flashguns.

 

gelling your flash for Tungsten / Incandescent light

Since I frequently gel my flashguns to bring the flash WB closer to Tungsten / Incandescent, I use these gels that I cut up and tape to the top of my speedlight’s head. One of these sheets (which aren’t expensive), will give you a lifetime supply of these filters.  If you use flash indoors where Tungsten lighting dominates, then these filters are an invaluable part of flash photography.

The Full CTS will bring your flash WB down to around 2900K, more or less neutralizing the look of the Tungsten light.  The 1/2 CTS will bring your flash WB to around 3800K, which will leave your backgrounds still with a touch of the warmth of Tungsten lighting.

camera settings: 1/100 @ f1.2 @ 1000 ISO Canon 1D mk III;  Canon EF 85mm f/1.2 L (vendor

Yes, it’s a very special lens indeed. You just have to love the way it renders any background.

camera settings: 1/80 @ f1.6 @ 1000 ISO Canon 1D mk III;  Canon EF 85mm f/1.2 L (vendor

From the same viewpoint, my 2nd photographer standing a little further back with a 50mm lens. This will give you an idea of the background:

 

summary

Gel your flash for Tungsten immediately when you work in a location with a predominantly warm spectrum. Simple as that.

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1 Richard March 15, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Thanks for another great post, Neil. Most folks I’ve read talk about gelling with CTO instead of CTS for matching tungsten ambient. Can you go into more detail about why you pick CTS instead?

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2 Neil vN March 15, 2011 at 12:30 pm

Richard … I found it easier to get pleasant skin tones with CTS than with CTO. But it might just be personal preference.

Neil vN

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3 graham March 15, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Great topic! Note that the colour observed from a gelled flashgun will vary depending on the power setting of the flash. A full pop will always be more white, while lower settings will be closer to the gel colour. Of course, if you are bouncing the colour of the walls and ceiling will add to the whole equation too.

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4 Neil vN March 15, 2011 at 1:05 pm

Graham .. interesting observation there about the flash’s power affecting the actual WB.

Neil vN

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5 ken hills March 15, 2011 at 1:39 pm

Great post Neil. One thing that struck me is how sharp your images were using the 85mm 1.2 wideopen. Do you get many OOF shots at that aperture. I use a 7D and select a focus point in one shot and I struggle to get many tack at 2.8. Im begining to wonder if my camera has a problem. Sorry this comment is off the topic.
thanks. Ken.

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6 Neil vN March 15, 2011 at 2:05 pm

Ken … when I still used Canon, I did find that my lenses & cameras often went out of calibration. Often enough to just switch. So I wonder if this problem with focusing isn’t endemic to this particular system. Keeping in mind that the Canon 1D mk3 had three (?) recalls for Auto-Focus issues.

Anyway … why the image is so sharp:

– I make sure I use as high a shutter speed as possible for a particular scenario. It is easier to fix high ISO noise than it is to fix camera shake.

I make sure I steady myself.

– I regularly check my equipment for sharpness. There are those times that pixel-peeping is a necessity.

– I rely on Toshio to keep my Canon gear up to spec. You’ll find many pros who have absolute faith in this guy’s ability to repair and keep Canon gear in spec.
TF Camera Repair, New Brunswich, NJ. (732) 238-8806

– the image is scaled down for web, and I sharpen images for web display, since images always look much softer when you down-rez them.

– The Canon 85mm f1.2 II is a truly spectactular lens.

So it’s a bunch of things.

Neil vN

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7 Anthony March 15, 2011 at 2:20 pm

Neil…I’m wondering about the precut gels and adapter that come with the SB-900. How do those compare to using CTS?

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8 Neil vN March 15, 2011 at 2:24 pm

Anthony … I haven’t directly compared or tested it, but as far as I heard, the gel is similar to CTO.

Neil vN

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9 Jerry March 15, 2011 at 2:27 pm

So, you’re using Flash or Cloudy setting when you gell your lights inside? I thought you gelled and set to Tunsten setting. I don’t even remember seeing the Cloudy/Flash thing in either of your books (yes, I bought the new one, too). Did I just miss it, or am I not understanding what you’re saying now? Or both?
Thanks…

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10 Neil vN March 15, 2011 at 4:37 pm

Jerry … no, I use full CTS or more likely 1/2 CTS when I use flash indoors.

I think you’re mis-reading my opening sentences there, and jumping to the punchline already … when we’re still working towards the idea of using a gel on the flash. ; )

Neil vN

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11 Christine Prisk March 15, 2011 at 5:44 pm

Great post. I needed this one this past Saturday :-) Will know for next time!
I would also love to hear a response to the post from Ken (above) about getting tack sharp images at 1.2 …

Thanks again…and again!
Christine

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12 Eduardo B. March 15, 2011 at 9:06 pm

Hi Neil, I have one question regarding exposure with the videolight. The other night I was shooting an event and I was using 3200 iso and a bounced flash. But sometimes the video guy came in with that light and affected my exposure because I was shooting manual and I had everything set to use my flash balanced with the ambient light. The problem was that I never knew how close or how far he would be from the subject and with that I had to guess sometimes my shutter speed because the shooting was very dynamic and not only formal pictures when you have more time to check the meter. How do you deal with that?

Thanks.

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13 Neil vN March 15, 2011 at 9:29 pm

Eduardo .. 3200 ISO is quite high, so the addition of the videographer’s light would have immediate impact and blow out your image.

You say you were shooting in manual … was this manual exposure on your camera … and / or manual flash?

Anyway, with this scenario you describe, there isn’t much more to do but immediately change your settings. You could do any of the following things, or a combination of them:
– Switch your flash off, and go to Aperture Priority and use just the videographer’s light.
– Pull your shutter speed up (but not higher than max sync speed, or else your flash output will drop considerably.)
– Drop your ISO

… and also change your FEC down, since you don’t need to add full flash exposure AND the video light.

So, really no other advice than to instantly adapt and change your settings.

Oh, and this is where TTL flash has an advantage over manual flash. If you change your camera settings, (aperture / ISO), then your TTL flash exposure will follow.

Neil vN

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14 Bogdan March 15, 2011 at 10:01 pm

Eduardo, In such situations I may quickly shut the flash off altogether and work off video guy’s lights. You could get some pretty nice stuff like this.

Cheers!

Bogdan

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15 Matt Adams March 16, 2011 at 1:02 pm

Thank you for the information, Neil – very helpful. Some time ago, I remember reading that flourescent light color temperature will shift picture to picture if you use a shutter speed other than 1/60 (or a multiple, 1/120, 1/180, 1/240). I usually have difficulty with flourescent color balance, even with using the green gels and I thought this might be the root cause.

Have you seen any color inconsistencies regarding flourescent lighting and shutter speed selection?

Thanks, Matt

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16 Neil vN March 16, 2011 at 8:11 pm

Matt … indeed, the color of the fluorescent lights vary with a change of shutter speed, and where you trip your shutter in the cycle of the fluorescent light.

The times I’ve encountered fluorescent light, I just settled for over-powering it with flash to drown out the ugly color cast.

Neil vN

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17 Linda March 17, 2011 at 2:29 pm

Thanks Neil for the great post once again. I just have a quick question and maybe it’s answered already and I need clarification. When you gel your flash, do you keep your WB setting to Auto or do you change it to one of the presets or do you do a custom setting? I never know what to do with my WB setting when I’ve experimented with the gels. THANK YOU so much!!!!

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18 Neil vN March 17, 2011 at 8:41 pm

Linda, you have to change your camera’s WB to whatever your dominant light source is …. Incandescent, or perhaps 3700K if you gel with 1/2 CTS. But there will very likely be a difference in the WB you shot at, and the WB you’d prefer in the final image. So you’ll still end up adjusting your color balance somewhat.

When you gel your flash, (unless it is the gel that comes with the SB-900), your camera has no idea that you’re gelling your flash. So if you are shooting an Auto WB, the camera will most likely default to Flash WB since it is detecting a speedlight in your hotshoe. And then the WB will be incorrect because of the gel on your flash.

Neil vN

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19 Angelo March 18, 2011 at 8:14 pm

Greetings Neil

Not sure where to post this question within your tangents, so here goes.
You often recommend to shoot in RAW, due to its advantages in processing etc.
If I shoot in RAW, come back to my PC which is a MAC, and begin to edit, then how does the client view the pixs if they do not have a RAW viewer. Do I simply save the image as a JPEG file for them, or is there another way.

Cheers

Angelo (Australia)

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20 Neil vN March 18, 2011 at 8:38 pm

Angelo .. you have to edit the images, and convert them to JPG.

Neil vN

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21 Linda March 19, 2011 at 2:02 pm

Thank you Neil for your response to my question about what WB setting to use when using a gel on my flash. That one has been a mystery for me for a while now. I appreciate you taking the time to answer me!!

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22 Angelo March 19, 2011 at 5:26 pm

Hi Neil

When you say convert, do you mean “save as a jpeg”, within the save actions .
Or do I need another programme for the conversion ?

Kind regards

Angelo (Australia)
Ps when r u coming down under ???.?

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23 trev March 19, 2011 at 9:04 pm

Hi Angelo,

Depends on which raw manipulator you are using as to ‘how’ to do it.

Once you have manipulated the image to suit your tastes, either in Lightroom or in Photoshops Adobe Camera Raw [ACR], you then either ‘Export’ it from Lightroom and choose ‘jpeg’ from options section, or if working from ACR choose ‘Save Image/s’ [bottom left] and in the Options section box that comes up again choose ‘jpeg’, making sure you choose the best quality if you want to be able to print the file also.

If saving a file direct from ACR, you should first of all click on the ‘blue hyper link’ at the bottom middle of ACR’s main window and choose your preferences from the ‘Workflow Options’ dialogue box that opens.

Mine:
Space: [working colour space] sRGB IEC61966-2.1 [up to you]

Depth: Unless working on large files for optimum enlargements, choose 8 bits, you will still have to convert the file to 8 bits anyway to print them.

Size: I choose a size close to my camera’s megapixel specs, usually 11.2 MP
Resolution: choose what your lab requires for printing, you can downsize it later in Photoshop. I have 300 pixels per inch to suit my lab’s specs.

Sharpen: never in this section, I have my own set of sharpening actions for various scenes. eg: if people are large in frame/portrait style, I have action so it masks the Red Channel which does NOT sharpen any part of a persons skin tones.

Another option, if in ACR, you can choose to edit/manipulate any changes in Photoshop itself if you wish by simply selecting the image/s then click on ‘Open Image/s’ button which will open them in Photoshop itself, edit them to any way, then go to Menu list click on ‘File’ choose ‘Save As’ [shortcut Ctrl-Shift S on PC or Cmd-Shift S on Mac] and in the ‘Format’ drop down menu, choose ‘jpeg’ and change file name or leave as is and it’s done.

[Actually you can simply hit Ctrl S when working with raw files when they are opened from ACR into Photoshop, as it will automatically bring up the 'Save As' dialogue box]

In Photoshop though when the jpeg options dialogue box comes up next, make sure you choose: Baseline (“Standard”) option, the first one, never the other two, then slide the slider over to ‘large file’ which will give best quality, and you should never have to change it again, unless you are wanting lower resolution of course.

Oh, handy hint, once you have done the first jpeg and you then want to save the next lot of images, in the Save As dialogue box it will keep the ‘Format… jpeg’ option already there, it remembers your last ‘Save As’ so you don’t have to keep choosing it. [well on mine CS5 it does]

Hope this helps.

Trev

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24 Neil vN March 19, 2011 at 11:15 pm

Angelo .. yes, “save as”. Just try it. :)

There aren’t any plans to visit Australia at the moment.

Neil vN

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25 Angelo March 20, 2011 at 1:44 am

Neil and Trev

Thanks for the help, especially Trev.

Cheers

Angelo

PS make plans to visit Australia, im sick of asking you :-)

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26 Rod P March 20, 2011 at 3:22 pm

Neil, I have learned everything I know about flash photography from your website. I’m still not sure if i understand this correctly. If I shoot raw and gel my flash, can I leave my WB in auto since ambient light and flash output will almost be the same color?

Regards,
Rod

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27 Neil vN March 20, 2011 at 8:09 pm

Rod .. check my answer in comment #18

Neil vN

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28 Eduardo B. March 21, 2011 at 11:18 am

Thanks to your answer(comment #12) Neil. When I said manual I was referring to camera exposure, I was using flash with TTL. I managed to change my shutter speed after a few shots when I figured out the average exposure. But to really mess thing up the videographer wasn’t using any gel so I had to take off mine to match with his light.

thanks

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29 Michelle from wedding photography March 22, 2011 at 1:35 pm

Wow..these pictures are amazingly irresistible to look at..it makes the pictures more beautiful and sweet to look at.

The way the shots look, this is a work of art..one look of it and it catches all your attention.

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30 Tim November 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm

Good information. I will need to experiment with flash gels some more. Rarely have I encountered a professional wedding videographer though.

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31 Abel February 2, 2012 at 5:53 am

Hi Neil:
I have the Rosco Strobist kit and the 3442 gel is not included. But i see that the Pale Gold Gel #08 is very similar to #3442
You can see the graphics here

What do you think about this?
Thanks

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32 Neil vN February 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Abel .. hard to tell from the graph, but my feeling here is that it would be better to use this gel than having no gel at all.

The way we use the gel here is with less need for precision than a commercial photographer would need. We just need to bring our flash’s WB closer to that of the Incandescent lit environment. Any movement in that direction is good.

Neil vN

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33 Anthony M. June 5, 2014 at 1:42 pm

Neil,
Ive been caught in quite the opposite situation: Ambient=Tungsten light, My flash=CTO/CTS Gelled, and the “PRO” video guy using White LED Light….I wanted to rip his head off. most of my shots ended up having mixed lighting (half face orange half blue). I didnt want to use plain ungelled flash because that would have made the background quite orange in comparison to my subject. Any ideas ?

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34 Neil vN June 5, 2014 at 2:45 pm

Unfortunately there is no way around that idiocy. Speaking to that videographer is unlikely to make him realize he could be doing it better. Sorry.

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