{"id":51634,"date":"2023-06-16T02:46:35","date_gmt":"2023-06-16T06:46:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/?p=51634"},"modified":"2026-06-23T01:25:35","modified_gmt":"2026-06-23T05:25:35","slug":"huge-venues-and-bounce-flash-how-to-double-your-flash-power","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/huge-venues-and-bounce-flash-how-to-double-your-flash-power\/","title":{"rendered":"Huge venues and bounce flash &#8211; how to double your flash power"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/images\/flash\/bounce\/bounce-flash-photography_0163.jpg\" width=\"1200\" height=\"960\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Bounce flash and huge venues &#8211; how to double your flash power<\/h2>\n<p>A spontaneous moment with two of the lovely people at an event I photographed. Perhaps technically unremarkable until you consider the size of the venue, and that I used bounce flash. If you look at the photo below, you&#8217;ll see that it was a huge indoor basketball \/ sport court. Now, if you&#8217;re familiar with the tutorials on this site on <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/flash-photography-techniques\/bouncing-flash\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">bounce flash photography<\/a>, you&#8217;ll know that I try to avoid direct flash as much as possible. Even flash attachments that throw light forward &#8212; I avoid using those. Instead, I much more prefer proper bounce flash photography &#8211; where I bounce the flash off surfaces inside a venue. Even large venues.<\/p>\n<p>The ideal for me in terms of the method of bounce flash, is that I bounce my flash into the direction that I want the light to come from. NO diffuser cup, or any other device on my flash, other than the <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/about\/black-foamie-thing\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">BFT<\/a>. I want to create a large light source, and as far as possible, I prefer that indirect bounce light to the <strong>directional<\/strong>. Soft, directional light.<\/p>\n<p><div class='one_half'>\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone \" src=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/images\/flash\/IMG_3222.jpg\" width=\"693\" height=\"924\" \/>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div><div class='one_half last'>\n\t\t\t\t\tBut in large venues, this gets tougher and tougher if you try to maintain a certain depth-of-field and \/ or a maximum ISO. Therefore, at some point, I need to increase my flash power.<\/p>\n<p>Some photographers will say that with modern cameras you can always rack the ISO higher. But if you double your flash output, you will always be that one stop ahead.<\/p>\n<p>For those rare situations where I\u2019m in a massive venue and I want to bounce my flash &#8230; and I don\u2019t want to, or can\u2019t put up additional off-camera lighting &#8230; and my on-camera Profoto A1 flash doesn\u2019t boast enough juice to give me the aperture that I want, at the ISO that I want &#8230; but I still need extra juice from my flash, I bring out this <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/promediagear-gf2-flash-doubler\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ProMedia Gear GF2 Gimbal Head Flash Doubler<\/a> (<em>B&amp;H<\/em>).<\/p>\n<p>It allows you to add an additional two flashes to bounce, more than doubling your output. Crazy stuff!\n\t\t\t\t<\/div><div class='clear'><\/div><\/p>\n<p>And yes, it is heavy, and the torque on your wrist is tough. Which is why I only use it with an additional flash, as shown in the 2nd image. The slight increase in power from the 3rd flash isn&#8217;t worth the physical endurance test.<\/p>\n<p>How well does this work (if you have the physical stamina to carry this)? Well, look at the top image as being typical of the results I got here at this event.<\/p>\n<p>The camera settings for the image at the top was 1\/80 \u00a0@ \u00a0f\/4 \u00a0@ \u00a02000 ISO. You might argue that the flash doubler bracket wasn&#8217;t necessary here since I could easily have squeezed a higher ISO and a wider aperture for the same result with just one flash. Keep in mind though that I was doing impromptu group photos as well, and sometimes needed f\/5.6 aperture for the group. I was also bouncing flash in different directions that might not have been as &#8220;efficient&#8221; as with this example.<\/p>\n<div class='one_half'>\n\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/promediagear-gf2-flash-doubler\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/images\/flash\/gear\/ProMediaGear-GF2_01.jpg\" width=\"448\" height=\"597\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<div class='one_half last'>\n\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/promediagear-gf2-flash-doubler\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/images\/flash\/gear\/ProMediaGear-GF2_02.jpg\" width=\"450\" height=\"600\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div><div class='clear'><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The on-camera flash is obviously the main flash that controls the other flash(es) via wireless radio signals. And it actually works this way. Sometimes howeverwhen a radio controlled trigger is too close to the flash, the flash misfires, but this setup appears to work. It\u2019s heavy. My left hand will have to do a lot of the balancing of the weight.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s no stopping me now, except for tendonitis in my wrist and elbow.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t weigh it. But I seriously think you will get some kind of strain injury in your wrist because of the torque to the one side with the 3rd flash added.<\/p>\n<p>As a side note &#8212; the Profoto flash mounted on the bracket is the Nikon mount Profoto A1 &#8212; because the Profoto hotshoe foot is far more sturdy than the idiotic Sony hotshoe with the delicate pins.<\/p>\n<p>The 2nd flash would double my power. A 3rd flash would only add 1\/2 a stop. Diminishing returns. I only rarely (2, maybe 3 times a year) hit a situation where a 2nd flash on my camera would be useful. So no big ordeal for me. And if I NEVER have reason to use this, then that&#8217;s ideal too. But if I need this, I have it. It&#8217;s like insurance. The ideal is that you never have to call on your insurance.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Photo gear used with this photo session<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/sony-a1\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sony A1<\/a> \u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/sony-a1-bh\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>B&amp;H<\/em><\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/sony-a1\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>Amazon<\/em><\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/sony-fe-24-70mm-f28-gm\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sony 24-70mm f\/2.8 GM ii<\/a> \u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/sony-fe-24-70mm-f28-gm-bh\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>B&amp;H<\/em><\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/sony-fe-24-70mm-f28-gm\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>Amazon<\/em><\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>Profoto A10 flash\u00a0 for \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/profoto-a10-flash-nikon\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Nikon<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/profoto-a10-flash-canon\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Canon<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/profoto-a10-flash-sony\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sony<\/a> \u00a0<em>(Amazon affiliate links)<br \/>\n<\/em>Profoto A10 flash\u00a0 for \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/profoto-a10-flash-nikon-bh\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Nikon<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/profoto-a10-flash-canon-bh\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Canon<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/profoto-a10-flash-sony-bh\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sony<\/a> \u00a0<em>(B&amp;H affiliate links)<\/em><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/recommends\/promediagear-gf2-flash-doubler\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ProMedia Gear GF2 Gimbal Head Flash Doubler<\/a> (<em>B&amp;H<\/em>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Related articles<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/video-tutorial-on-camera-bounce-flash-photography\/\">Video tutorial: On-camera bounce flash photography<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/tutorial-bounce-flash-photography\/\">Tutorial: Bounce flash photography<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/bounce-flash-photography-inverse-square-law\/\">Video tutorial: Bounce flash photography &amp; The Inverse Square Law<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/about\/black-foamie-thing\/\">My preferred bounce flash modifier : the BFT<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/flash-photography-techniques\/\">Flash Photography tutorials<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wedding-reception-lighting-with-one-flash\/\">Wedding reception lighting with one flash<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/NeilvanNiekerk\/videos\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/images\/banners\/youtube.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"120\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/neilvn\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/images\/banners\/instagram.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"120\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bounce flash and huge venues &#8211; how to double your flash power A spontaneous moment with two of the lovely people at an event I photographed. Perhaps technically unremarkable until you consider the size of the venue, and that I used bounce flash. If you look at the photo below, you&#8217;ll see that it was&nbsp;<a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/huge-venues-and-bounce-flash-how-to-double-your-flash-power\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Read more inside&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":51647,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[111,15],"tags":[881,215,177],"yst_prominent_words":[13487,13491,13484,1842,1850,13485,1199,13486,13479,13483,5643],"class_list":{"0":"post-51634","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-bounce-flash-photography","8":"category-flash-photography","9":"tag-bounce-flash-photography","10":"tag-bounce-flash-technique","11":"tag-bouncing-your-flash","12":"entry"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/51634"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=51634"}],"version-history":[{"count":25,"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/51634\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":52529,"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/51634\/revisions\/52529"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/51647"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=51634"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=51634"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=51634"},{"taxonomy":"yst_prominent_words","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neilvn.com\/tangents\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yst_prominent_words?post=51634"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}