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fire performers … at a wedding

October 2, 2010 Neil vN 33 Comments

The bride and groom at last night’s wedding are veteran burners – people who attend Burning Man – and several of their guests are fire performers. Later the evening during the reception, four of the guests showed their skill in juggling and dancing with fire.

Photographing fire performers

Photographing the fire performers, especially in such low light – i.e. near darkness – was a challenge.  A slow shutter speed to show the movement of the fire, would cause the performer to be completely blurred.  But a fast shutter speed would not show enough movement in the fire.  A fast shutter speed would also necessitate a wide aperture, which causes depth of field problems as the performers move.

In the end, the low light forced me to use 1/60 @ f2.8 @ 3200 ISO for all but two of the fire performance photos shown here.  I used the Nikon D3 and the Nikon 24-70mm f2.8 lens.  No flash, since flash would just change the very nature of what is on display.

To ensure that I get at least a few usable (and hopefully striking) images, I machine-gunned it. During the entire performance, I fired off nearly 500 frames, of which I deleted all but 140.  From those, around 60 range from usable to good.

The light from the fire is relatively bright, and I had to use the localized correction brush in Photoshop to bring down some of the highlights on their faces.  I brought up some of the Fill Light in processing the RAW files to bring up some shadow detail.  I also brought up the Recovery setting to bring down some of the brighter areas.

Not only where there fire performers at this wedding, but Danny Kean and his traveling piano made a guest turn.  If you check out his website, you’ll see mention of his dog Boner .. but Boner passed away, and the doggles here is Danny’s new companion.

And just in case anyone is curious about the couple with this most unusual wedding, here is Katie and Nathan during their portrait session earlier on in the afternoon.

 

 

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33 Comments, Add Your Own

  1. 1Naieem Kaiz says

    October 2, 2010 at 5:46 am

    Niel, a bit of motion blur actually works.. awesome pics.. hats off to you and hats off to D3’s stunning ISO performance..

    :)

    Reply
  2. 2Frances says

    October 2, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Thank you for sharing your photos and knowledge! I always enjoy reading (and am inspired by) your posts.

    Reply
  3. 3Barbara says

    October 2, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Hi Niel,

    Let me say that your site and book has been so educational. I have you on my desktop! I currently own D70 and D200. I have the Nikon sb 800 and just got the Nikon sb 600. I shot some night time photos out on my first meet up and was so disappointed in my photos. I realized that I shot using 800 iso and the noise is unbelievable. What can I do besides upgrade my camera, to successfully get rid of the noise? I currently have PS CS 2 and LR #1. I am not in the market to purchase a lens, or another camera for that matter. I be willing to buy the best software if it works better than my Ps and LR(first one). Thanks for all your help. I am a compassionate photographer and want to improve my knowledge with using the Nikon flash off camera as well. Barb

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  4. 4Neil vN says

    October 2, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Hi Barbara .. I have been using Neat Image up until now, but it appears like the noise reduction of Lightroom 3 and ACR (Bridge / Photoshop) in CS5 has been greatly improved. Ultimately though, there’s no real substitute here for fast lenses and high-ISO capable cameras. I feel there might just be a D700 in your future somewhere.

    Neil vN

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  5. 5Donald R says

    October 2, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Hi Neil,
    Very nice shots. You mentioned that flash would have changed the nature of the display. If the camera in use didn’t have high-ISO capability, would bouncing the flash been an option?

    Donald

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  6. 6Neil vN says

    October 2, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Bounce flash wasn’t really an option here. As you can see in the top image, the building was a wooden structure. There was a white car next to me from the position I shot the individual performers, and I did try bouncing off it, but the light came in at too low an angle, and didn’t look flattering at all … there was just no control to the direction of the light. Besides that, it would’ve seriously annoyed the guests.

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  7. 7Alfredo Medina says

    October 2, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Hi Neil,

    You used flash in the photo of the couple during the afternoon session?

    Thanks you again.

    Alfredo

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  8. 8Neil vN says

    October 2, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Alfredo .. yup, just subtle on-camera fill-flash, as described there.

    Neil vN

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  9. 9Amanda says

    October 2, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    awesome, as always!

    Recently I was hired to shoot a concert for a band and was also forced to go with 2.8 1/60 and 2000 ISO. My 5D Mark II was ok, but my 40D bit the dust. I was thankful to have the 5D and 70-200. But, now that I saw how poorly the 40D was, I want to rid of it. I know you are a Nikon Man, but any thoughts on the new 7D? It’s less expensive than the 5D and seems to host a whole lot of features?

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  10. 10Neil vN says

    October 2, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Amanda … I had the Canon 7D as a test camera for a few weeks, but never quite got it together to post a review. (I did post some images I shot with the 7D in this review of the Canon 100mm f2.8 IS II macro lens.)

    I thought the 1600 ISO images looked great, with the noise very well controlled. Obviously the full-frame sensor of the 5D mk2 will give you better results, but I do think the 7D is a great little camera.

    Neil vN

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  11. 11Linda says

    October 2, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    I JUST took pictures of fire dancers at a friend’s party last week and they were all TERRIBLE compared to these! Bummer this blog entry wasn’t a week sooner (or the party a week later!!!). Thank you for the write up. I will know what to do next time :)

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  12. 12Sam says

    October 3, 2010 at 4:08 am

    Amanda: The 7D doesn’t have a very spectacular sensor, according to all tests, see dxomark.com for some easy numbers.

    But it’s the best crop for Canon, and it’s the only one with a decent AF system other than the 1D series. You’ll find it much faster than the 5D2, but the quality may not be as good. As such, it’ll be the perfect complement to your 5D2, probably more versatile than having 2 of the same cameras!

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  13. 13Hal says

    October 3, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Fire and weddings. Damn where do you find these people?!?!?

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  14. 14Neil vN says

    October 3, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Hal .. I get lucky. : )

    Neil vN

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  15. 15PhotoshopPrincess says

    October 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    wow….

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  16. 16Artur Ocubaro says

    October 3, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Hi Neil!

    Beautiful photos!

    “To ensure that I get at least a few usable (and hopefully striking) images, I machine-gunned it. During the entire performance, I fired off nearly 500 frames, of which I deleted all but 140. From those, around 60 range from usable to good”

    Again, thanks for your knowledge, experience and your absolutely unselfishness sharing all the information you got! Priceless! You have no idea how it make us “mortals” more confident in our Photography.

    Thank you very much!

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  17. 17Neil vN says

    October 3, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Artur, if I had any sense, I’d say that I only shot these few frames shown here. You know, just to maintain the illusion that every frame I ever take just works! : )

    Neil vN

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  18. 18mike says

    October 4, 2010 at 5:58 am

    the machine-gunning it and getting 60 out of 500 pics makes the rest of us feel a little better and tells us that its ok to shoot away…once again a secret of yours will help the rest of us, thanks!

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  19. 19Neil vN says

    October 4, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Mike .. yup, so much for the ‘Decisive Moment’. Often you just have to do what is necessary to get a selection of images that work. In this case, waiting for that wonderfully perfect moment wouldn’t have gotten me anything … I had to shoot a LOT and select those ‘decisive moments’ in post.

    Neil vN

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  20. 20Chris Helm says

    October 4, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Hi Neil,

    I’ve actually been surfing this blog for about 6 months and finally wanted to ask a question! First, I would like to thank you for sharing all your experience. I can’t believe how many posts you put out! I have trouble getting out 1 every two weeks on my wedding blog! Well, here is my question. Did you try a longer shutter speed and using rear curtain sync? If so were the performers too blurry? Just asking, because I’ve lately been shooting the bride/groom exit this way to good success (works great with sparklers too!) When I do this I usually use a ttl connecting cord and hold the flash in my left hand (gives a little sculpture if you can get it high enough!) I also like to back light the subject in some way at the same time (I use the cybersyncs, I’ve had 100% firing with these). Just curious what you think of this technique?
    Thanks again, Chris

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  21. 21Neil vN says

    October 4, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Chris .. as I mention in my comment #6 here – bounce flash wasn’t an option. I didn’t want to use direct flash, and running to my car to get an off-camera setup and actually setting it, would mean I would’ve missed out on too much of the performance.

    So without flash, using rear curtain sync becomes irrelevant. Then the choice of shutter speed was the balance of camera settings as described at the top.

    In a different scenario, I might’ve handled it differently. I will have to see when the opportunity arises again.

    Holding the flash with an off-camera cord wouldn’t have been too effective here, since I didn’t want to move closer to the performers than where the guests where standing.

    One thing that I needed to strongly consider here, is not to take away from the guests’ enjoyment of the presentation. So even if I had off-camera lighting there, I might very well not have used it if it meant dashing around to set it up and move it along with the performers.

    Neil vN

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  22. 22Samuel Pinero says

    October 4, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Neil,

    I am a first time writer, long time lurker.

    You mentioned flash would change the nature of the fire dancers. I have not found that to be the case at all. I use my flash to stop the motion of the dancer and still get a trail similar to what you have here. Some examples

    http://spinero.smugmug.com/Other/Raleigh-Wide-Open/13159411_xVXmq#954697410_iPUCn
    http://spinero.smugmug.com/Other/Raleigh-Wide-Open/13159411_xVXmq#954705714_BFJ4N

    There is a similar technique used in the book Skin, but he is working in a studio where there is little to no ambient showing.

    Clearly there are many ways to shoot these performers. Is there a reason you chose to balance the fire white instead of the orange and yellow tones that are ordinarily found in fire?

    Anyway, thanks for all the great work.

    Sam Pinero

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  23. 23Neil vN says

    October 4, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Hi there Samuel … the fire is showing as white here because it is completely over-exposing. In how I set my camera settings, I wanted the performers well-exposed by the light from the fire … and this meant the fire would blow out completely.

    The alternate would be to use (off-camera) flash to expose correctly for the performer and then have the fire show up properly.

    As it is, this is how the images came out under this set of circumstances.

    Neil vN

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  24. 24Samuel Pinero says

    October 4, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Neil,

    I think they look great. I was wondering if it was white balance or over-exposure. I think you ended up getting pretty good light patterns on the performers’ faces that way too. A flash would have not been easily controlled under those circumstances, and would have slowed you down too.

    Thanks again,

    Sam Pinero

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  25. 25Brian McB says

    October 4, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    These photos are incredible! I rarely see such clear faces in fire photography. I’m the male fire performer. Would you mind if I copied some of these and posted them elsewhere? Keeping your credit on the photo, of course.

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  26. 26Neil vN says

    October 4, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Brian .. thank you! That’s a great compliment. Sure, please use them as you feel like. I’ll contact you with a gallery with the other images. Thanks again!

    Neil vN

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  27. 27Tracy says

    October 4, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Hello!
    I was a bridesmaid at the wedding. (hot blonde)
    LOL!!! We stole your camera and took a picture. ;)
    You did a FABULOUS job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Can’t wait to see the pictures!!!!!

    xoxoxo
    Tracy

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  28. 28Neil vN says

    October 5, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Hi there Tracy! It was great meeting you as well. A fun bunch of people. I wonder .. should I post that Marilyn-esque photo of you? ; )

    Neil vN

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  29. 29Tracy says

    October 5, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    You absolutely should!! ;)

    Reply
  30. 30Neil vN says

    October 5, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Well, there you go then!

    Neil vN

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  31. 31Neil vN says

    October 5, 2010 at 7:37 pm

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  32. 32Tracy says

    October 5, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Well thank you then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

    Neil, in all honesty, I find it AMAZING that you were able to capture the fire-spinners in action in your photos. Truly amazing how fabulous those pictures turned out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are an incredibly talented artist.

    Hey, thanks for the Marilyn-esque photo. Love it!!!!!!!!!

    xoxoxooxo

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  33. 33Dennison Uy says

    November 1, 2010 at 3:35 am

    Good job with the fire performers. Lovely shots!

    Reply

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