February 6, 2012

composition for full-length portraits – step back instead of zooming wide

A comment in the article on a simple lighting setup for the family formal photos, asked why I recommended that a photographer should step back rather than zoom wide when photographing a group. The reason is that the perspective distortion that a wide-angle lens will give to your subject, is not all that flattering.


With this straight-forward portrait of Anelisa, I was shooting with the 24-70mm lens (on a full-frame camera), zoomed to 70mm. I wasn’t super-tight in my composition, so I was shooting at a distance where there is no distortion introduced on her face. (For example, a 50mm lens used as a close portrait lens on a full-frame camera, will bring unfortunate distortion to your subject’s face.)

It is a simple, pleasant portrait. Nothing complicated.

I was shooting at this distance from Anelisa for that portrait.

If I want to shoot a full-length portrait now, I have two options:
- I can zoom wider (and not move my position), or
- I can keep my lens to 70mm, and step back until I have her full-length in my frame.

Zooming wider and shooting from “above”, will give me this kind of bobble-head distortion, where her head is much larger, and her legs are much shorter. NOT flattering.

Stepping back forces a more pleasant perspective.

So when photographing someone, I fight the immediate urge to be lazy and just zoom. Instead, I keep to the longer focal length as much as I can, stepping back until I get the framing I want. Invariably, this is the more flattering perspective.

Only when I can’t safely or comfortably step back anymore, will I zoom wider. But my focal length then will still be more appropriate than if I had immediately racked my zoom as wide as it could.

And to give you an idea of the relative distances, I was standing this far from Anelisa when photographing the full-length portrait at 70mm.

Obviously there will be times when you want a more dynamic composition, or you may want to go for the crazy wide-angle shot. But for a representative portrait, it is always the better decision to step back rather than being lazy and just zooming wider.

The entire motif behind this article then, is to be aware of your own position in relation to your subject, and see how this will affect your composition … and how pleasantly this might render your subject. This is one of those things in photography where it is a good idea to just get a camera in your hand and start playing. See how zooming affects your angle of view, and how this might affect your own position if you recompose.

 

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1 William Gartin February 6, 2012 at 1:43 am

There’s an additional reason that I noticed in the comparison pic: The background is much less “busy” in the longer focal-length shot than it is in the wide-angle. The background in the wide-angle competes for attention with the subject. In this respect, choosing the longer focal length and stepping back is similar to the reason you might choose a more shallow DOF.

Thank you for sharing all this information with us Neil. I’ve been spending hours reading through quite a lot of it, with more to go. I’ll be looking to order your book soon.

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2 Matthew Finnigan February 6, 2012 at 1:45 am

Such a great example. I have to always step back as i mainly use the nifty fifty on a 500d. Not a big fan of the kit lens.

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3 Justine Ungaro February 6, 2012 at 3:17 am

A simple but incredibly important concept!!

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4 Tony W. February 6, 2012 at 5:34 am

Nice comparisons, but you’re holding the camera wrong!

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5 John Andersson February 6, 2012 at 5:36 am

good post Neil, this is something I have been guilty of in the past and learned through trial and error. Another pointer that a shooter may want to consider is the relative camera height to their subject, for example waist, bust, eye and above eye level. At over 6′ 2″ tall and the majority of my brides much lower I have to not only step back but have the camera at the right height for what I’m trying to achieve. But as you say the most important point is stepping back.

Learned so much from your blog.

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6 Sarah Overland February 6, 2012 at 5:52 am

Thanks Neil!!

Simple and effective! It’s one of those things that make you go ‘duh! of course!’

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7 Stephen February 6, 2012 at 9:38 am

Neil,
You posed well in the third picture. :) And you still have that lens skin!

Thanks for another good article.

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8 Victor Godinho February 6, 2012 at 9:40 am

Neil,

In a profissional photobook, do you like to “feel free in your creativity” (like, use wide lens, shoot “up to down” giving the idea of “big head, small body”, and etc..), or you prefer do not risk with it, working more with background, light, … ?!

(sorry any mistake with my english)

Victor Godinho

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9 Mike February 6, 2012 at 12:06 pm

Another argument for using prime lenses. ;)

I’m kidding of course, but this is an important concept to understand. The availability of high-quality zoom lenses is a great thing for photographers, but they can lead to a certain type of laziness, of which the above is a good example.

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10 Neil vN February 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm

“Another argument for using prime lenses.”

Not necessarily – people often misguidedly use a 50mm lens (on a full-frame camera) for tight portraits. Not good.

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11 Lynn February 6, 2012 at 1:25 pm

Just wondering too if this would be a good example for using a prime lens such as a 85mm. I currently have the 24-70 and do have to remind myself to step back. Wondering if a good quality prime would be a cure all or atleast just a good excuse to buy another lens!

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12 naftoli February 6, 2012 at 3:55 pm

another tip to minimize distortion would be two keep ur camera parallel to ur subject, yes u will have to bend down or even get on ur knees for full lengths

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13 jiyang cai February 6, 2012 at 8:35 pm

this article is very useful. thanks for sharing

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14 Regina February 7, 2012 at 11:36 am

I love using my 70-200 2.8 for portraits. The compression is amazing and the look it creates for portraits is stunning. Don’t leave home without it.

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15 Paul February 7, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Good article Neil…one question…where your assistant with an attitude gone?

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16 Maui Wedding Photographers February 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Another excellent post with clear examples of why you should keep your feet moving.
Thanks Neil.

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17 Ups February 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm

Hi Neil,
What is the Picture Controls mode you use on D3s or does it matter?

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18 Neil vN February 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm

Since I don’t use Nikon software to edit my RAW files, the camera’s picture settings have no effect.

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19 Mike Whealan February 8, 2012 at 10:42 pm

I think every photographer should understand that perspective distortion ALWAYS depends on the distance. A wide angle lens does not “produce” perspective distortion. The fact that you need to get close to your subject because of using one is what causes it. In other words, if you shoot a checkerboard on a table and fill your frame with a wide angle lens, then you’ll have to get close. You’ll see very pronounced “perspective distortion.” Next, shoot the same exact shot with a 70-200mm zoomed all the way out filling the frame exactly the same way. Guess what? You’ll need to “back up” in order to do this! Hence your checkerboard will have much less distorted angles. Now… finally… shoot the checkerboard with your wide angle lens from the exact same distance as your 200mm. It will be really really tiny in your frame, but stay with me. Now go to your computer and download the images. Open the 200mm shot and the wide angle shot from the same distance. Now zoom in on the wide angle shot even if it goes well past the 100% point to where you start seeing pixels. Make the checkerboard the same size on screen as the 200mm one. Guess what? They will look precisely and exactly the same perspective-wise! Moral of the story: LENSES DO NOT CREATE PERSPECTIVE DISTORTION… DISTANCE DOES! ANd yes… linear distortion produced from super wide angle lenses is a completely different thing – don’t confuse them! Thank you. My physics lesson is over.

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20 Neil vN February 8, 2012 at 11:13 pm

So Mike, you’re saying we should use a longer lens and step back for less distortion?

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21 Mike Whealan February 9, 2012 at 11:48 am

Ha! Yes, of course Neil. I was not in any way correcting you – your post was excellent. All of them are my friend! I merely noticed from some comments that there is a common misconception about lenses and perspective distortion. I think it’s important to know from a creative decision standpoint that the “closer” we move our camera towards the subject, the “greater” the distortion will be. Conversely, the “farther” the camera is away, the less it will be distorted. Choosing a lens is a creative decision: a short focal length “allows” us a viewpoint that produces perspective distortion (if you want it). A longer focal length lens “allows” us to get farther away to minimize distortion if you don’t want it… and yet still be able to fill the frame with a great composition. In any case, the viewpoint determines the distortion, not the lens (and I always hear photographers say “don’t ever use a wide angle lens because it distorts everything” – and that is completely incorrect. You can still take a great portrait with a wide angle lens (if it’s the only thing in your bag)… you’ll just have to step back and enlarge the heck out of it if you DON’T want any distortion. Okay… I think I beat this to death! hahaha

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22 Stephen February 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm

After reading Michael’s comments, I searched for “perspective distortion” on Google, and the Wikipedia entry has a very good explanation of perspective distortion, including photographic examples taken at various focal lengths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_%28photography%29

Perspective distortion not only changes how your target object looks, but also changes the perceived distances between objects in the photo.

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23 Ups February 10, 2012 at 11:20 am

Hi Neil,
Quick question, did you use flash in these pictures? I noticed the reflection on the wall.

Just curious, how many comments you have and answer a day?

Thanks

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24 Neil vN February 10, 2012 at 1:51 pm

Nope, no flash used. That hot spot on the wall must be a reflection from a nearby window or reflective surface.

About the number of comments .. I’d say there are about 2-5 each day. Not a big flood .. but I am running behind on some threads. But I have bookmarked them, and will get to them too, eventually.

What was getting out of control, were the emails I would get with questions – up to 20 a day. That’s an impossible load. And hence I created the Tangents forum.

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25 Sandra M. February 7, 2013 at 8:11 pm

Great tips as always Neil. I just saw you have a new book coming out and I can’t wait to get it!

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26 Susanna April 8, 2013 at 10:10 am

Neil,
Do you use a wide angle lens for wedding party shots? Often, with ushers and all attendants, I have 20+ people to photograph, and I find that my 24-105 (or 24-70) makes me get back so very far and puts so many pews in the shot. I just went full-frame this year, but I in the past I always switched to a wide angle lens for the larger, full length group shots. Do you not reccommend this, even if I keep the camera parallel to my subjects? Will I notice more distortion with my full frame body then before? Thanks!

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27 Neil vN April 12, 2013 at 4:38 am

You adapt to where you are. If you’re forced to use a wider angle than is idea .. then that is what you need to do.

You can always partially correct for distortion in post-processing with programs like DxO.

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28 Jeffrey Hilgers June 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm

Neil,
I have always intended to ask you this regarding this subject. Full frame sensors – do you feel the lowest focal length (on a prime lens) that you would use for portraiture would be a 85mm?

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29 Neil vN June 24, 2013 at 10:04 pm

It has more to do with your distance to your subject. There are plenty examples of wonderful environmental portraits done with wider focal lengths.

Similarly, 85mm might even be considered too short a focal length if you work really close to your subject.

Neil vN

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30 Baart1980 January 9, 2014 at 8:31 am

Neil,
What is your advice, when it comes to shooting group of people with wide angle lens ?

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31 Neil vN January 12, 2014 at 6:55 am

With groups, I compose for a 5:4 crop ratio, so there is some space to the left-hand and right-hand sides. This helps minimize distortion. Depending on the size of the group, I won’t go wider than 28mm on a large group, and even that is pushing the boundaries.

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32 Baart1980 January 27, 2014 at 2:50 am

And for full length photos, can you tell what kind of lens is best ?

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33 Neil vN January 27, 2014 at 3:17 am

At some point you need to step away from the computer and take photos too.

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34 Baart1980 February 8, 2014 at 9:05 pm

believe it or not – ” aha” moment for me.

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